
Transcript of Vasu's interview with
Linchpin Author
Seth Godin.
Vasu: Let us start off with Peter Drucker's Wise Words:"There is always a need for some selling. But, the aim of Marketing is to make selling superfluous. How do you see this notion manifest in this Age of the Connected Consumption"?
SETH GODIN: I am not sure I agree with you that Marketing makes selling superfluous. They do very different things.
I believe that the goal of Marketing is to tell a Story, that spreads, to create products that people are truly interested in buying. The goal of selling is to overcome the fear people have of saying yes.
You need both of them in most situations.We don't to get rid of all the Salespeople in the world. There are very very few products or services that it could honestly be said, could sell themselves.
That said, I think what we are seeing in our connected world is that Marketing is far more powerful than it used to be, because ideas spread further and faster than they used to, which puts the imperative on anyone who has an idea to spread, on anyone who wants to make a difference to create a product that people are actually gonna want to buy.
Vasu: In 1998, one of my co-workers spoke passionately about the Google Search Engine...and I tried it whenever Altavista did not return enough results.After 6 months, I was passionately recommending to, everyone I saw. Is this why, in one of the talks you mentioned that, Google is more about Marketing than about Technology?
SETH GODIN: Well, What I mean by that is, without Technology, Google could not have existed. However, the technology alone wasn't sufficient for them to deliver the value that they've delivered to users and Shareholders. That what has made Google successful is the Story that they tell. What has made them successful is many of the essential Marketing decisions that they've made, that have been so correct, I believe technology has merely enabled that.
Vasu: Products like Starbucks, function naturally, to use Gaping Void's term,Social Objects. I like the Ambience,the WIFI, the convenience of meeting someone in the 3rd place. But, I personally like, Dunkin' Donuts Coffee better. But in conversations, the third place aspect gets remarked in conversations, rather than the Quality of Coffee. Another example is Sergey Brin's Shoes, that he wore at that Conference, a couple of months back. Everybody is talking about it in Social Media. If my competitor has a product more naturally remarkable than mine. Is there anyway I can fix it?
SETH GODIN: Well, you better. I guess my argument is, if you have an average product for average people and all you gonna do, is argue about it.all you gonna do is yell about it. all you gonna do is push it on people. Then you have an uphill battle, don't you?
Vasu: iPhone has millions of us as walking commercials. What more,could an iPhone Television Commercial possibly accomplish?
SETH GODIN: Well OK. What happens is that some people are open to hearing from friends. Some people make a decision about a significant purchase, based on what they hear from friends. Other people, whether through training or inclination have a different approach. Their approach is that, they need to know that something is substantial enough, that they are not going to get into trouble. They need to know, that its' famous. that its real. that its gonna work for them...and that means that they get a lot of security and pleasure out of seeing it advertised on Television. That seeing advertised on Television, puts into a new spot in their head, in terms of their understanding of what it is and so Apple benefits by buying those Ads.
Vasu: I personally like to watch Commercials, provided they are entertaining and are in my zone of interest personally. Dave Ogilvy said, "Advertising is about inventing a promise that the viewer could relate to. How do you see ads playing out in this Age of the Tribes?
SETH GODIN: I think, what we saw for the last forty years, is ads that didn't deserve to succeed paying for themselves. Ads for Average Stuff. Ads for commodities.Ads with obnoxious jingles in them. Ads that we watched, because we really had no choice. Those are gonna go away. We are gonna to still see ads around, that talked to the masses. that connect us in a different way. we still gonna see ads around annnoucing things or create tribes or that connect us. But, we are gonna see the end of,you know,the Palmolive or Tide detergent ads that people don't care one bit about.
Vasu: Let us say, my friend belongs to the third generation of the Bakers, making the finest Sliced Bread, in our county. His father Joe could not do much to scale up, this word-of-mouth reputation, that his grandfather built. Recently my friend took over the business and realized that his customers love them, because no one makes Fresh Bread like them Period. In this age of the Social Media, What should my friend do to Scale his footprint?
SETH GODIN: First of all, I would imagine that for the vast majority of people in his market. They don't agree with your statement. That no one makes sliced bread like he does.
Because, what they are looking for, from Sliced Bread, might not be, what he thinks is important in Sliced Bread. Maybe, they want it to be cheap or convenient or delivered with a Smile. maybe, they want it delivered to their home. Maybe, they want to go the store, where buying in that store, makes them feel special, maybe they want it to be organic or available at the Whole Foods Market. I mean, there are a million reasons, people buy bread and the best one period is not one of them.
And so we need to start there. We need to understand that lots of people, tell themselves different stories. They have different world-views. I would then ask this person, why are you trying to grow your business. growing your business might not be the right plan. But, if you are trying to grow your business. Who do you want to add to your customer list. Because you can't add everybody.
How are you going to build a core group of people who are passionate enough about your bread that, they will drive across town or fly across the country to buy it. and if that's true, what do you have to change your offering. whether its the price or the product or the way it's sold or the story you tell, so that these people would be eager to buy from you.
Vasu: so the definition of remarkable is not what you perceive but what your tribe perceives, right?
SETH GODIN: Thats exactly right. All the word remarkable means, is that someone made a remark about it.